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Title: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 04, 2017, 05:24:07 AM
Hi is there a way to control the two analogick sticks with the mouse at the same time ?
I want to make a config to use helicopter on BF4 that needs to control the two analogick at the same time with the mouse like on PC

Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on August 04, 2017, 08:34:59 AM
hi, can you state it more specifically ?
how are you going to control left and right sticks 
by one mouse?
by default , right stick will be controlled by mouse movement, you can map left stick to buttons on mouse at the same time.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 04, 2017, 01:05:52 PM
hi, can you state it more specifically ?
how are you going to control left and right sticks 
by one mouse?
by default , right stick will be controlled by mouse movement, you can map left stick to buttons on mouse at the same time.
Can I map left stick to mouse movement to ? example : lefft stick movement to right = mouse movement to right
I dont want it in a button because mouse movement its more precise
I want to controll 2 movements of left stick and all movement of right stick in the mouse movement at the same time , this is to fly choppers on battlefield 4 , is it possible or will ever be ? thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on August 04, 2017, 11:53:53 PM
sorry that the above info help little for us,
we will need your full plan concerning the usage of left and right sticks , how will they be represented by one mouse?
have you considerred "swap L/R sticks"  feature in "more settings"
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 05, 2017, 12:47:06 AM
sorry that the above info help little for us,
we will need your full plan concerning the usage of left and right sticks , how will they be represented by one mouse?
have you considerred "swap L/R sticks"  feature in "more settings"
The swap just makes the mouse control left stick instead of the right ,I really want to control left and right stick with one mouse ,but i dont know if its possible
My full plan concern is:
-left stick movement to right and left = mouse movement to right and left
-right stick movement up and down, right and left = mouse movement up and down, right and left
Its like to make one button in the keyboard do two things at the same time , example : shift = square and R1 , but instead of buttons i want the mouse movement to do left and right stick
Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 05, 2017, 12:15:49 PM
sorry that the above info help little for us,
we will need your full plan concerning the usage of left and right sticks , how will they be represented by one mouse?
have you considerred "swap L/R sticks"  feature in "more settings"
Is it possible ? to map mouse movement in the left and right stick together ?
if not , is it possible to be added in a near future ? thats the only thing i need to fly choppers like i used to do on PC in BF4
Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on August 05, 2017, 05:23:50 PM
we will need some time to evaluate the possibility, please wait a couple  of days for the reply .
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 06, 2017, 05:59:07 AM
we will need some time to evaluate the possibility, please wait a couple  of days for the reply .
ok thanks I will wait
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 14, 2017, 11:24:47 AM
we will need some time to evaluate the possibility, please wait a couple  of days for the reply .
So have you evaluated the possibility ? will be ever possible to map mouse movement ? maybe in the next update
Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on August 15, 2017, 06:02:26 PM
will need a couple of more days to give you a reply.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on August 17, 2017, 10:48:17 PM
in BF4, it has several different control modes.
default mode:
left stick up/down= thottle up/down
left stick left/right= YAW
right stick up/down= pitch
right stick left/right= roll

legacy southpaw mode:
left stick up/down= pitch
left stick left/right= YAW
right stick up/down= thottle up/down
right stick left/right= roll

if you change between these two modes,
i think you can get what you want.

or you may try southpaw mode or legacy mode.
you can find it at Options - Controls - Heli Sticks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 18, 2017, 01:25:50 AM
Oh thanks ,but Ive already tried all the options and combinations and none of them makes possible what I really want.

I want to YAW , pitch and roll all in the same stick ( mouse ),and this isn't possible in the game options ,the game just lets you YAW and roll in the same stick.

The only way is making a config in cross hair to control both right and left stick with the mouse , so I can YAW , pitch and roll in the mouse .

This can be done by mapping mouse movement ,so i can control all right stick with the mouse and map some mouse movements to left stick .

But it can also be done by an option to control left and right stick together with one mouse .

Is one of this possible to be done in cross hair manager in the next update ? I know im the only one asking for it, but maybe this is something easy to do ( just making the mouse control right and left stick together )

Thanks richard
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on August 19, 2017, 03:23:36 PM
we tried your way on PC, it does make some sense, will give reply later after our R&D team's evaluation.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 20, 2017, 01:58:31 AM
we tried your way on PC, it does make some sense, will give reply later after our R&D team's evaluation.
Yes with this way its better to aim in the heli .
Ok I will wait, how much time do you think it will take ?
Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on August 22, 2017, 03:48:03 PM
Hi, here is the new version for you.
http://www.reasnow.com/download/software/Cross%20Hair%20ManagerV1.72.1.zip

please upgrade your Cross Hair with this new version and import the "Battlefield 4 for heli(PS4).rcc" as your config for heli control.
and please do activate it for heli only, use a common bf4 config for solder control.

our settings are:
G502, 12000DPI, 1000HZ
sensitivity=100%
heli sticks= default

any feedback, please let us know.
and if you can do a review video, we would love to watch it 8)
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on August 23, 2017, 02:52:58 AM
oh thanks you guys are awesome !!
I will be only able to test it next week since im not at home this week ,and of course i will try to make a video :)
Thanks richard
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on September 02, 2017, 12:11:25 PM
Hi , sorry for the late reply ,when I got home my mouse wasnt working lol , I have to buy another one ,is the logitech g403 compatible with my cross hair ?
if yes im gonna buy it and test the Heli config
thanks Richard
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 02, 2017, 04:38:05 PM
of course, you can use G403, no problem.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on September 12, 2017, 10:01:09 AM
of course, you can use G403, no problem.
Hi Richard
  Sorry for the late reply again ,just got my mouse yesterday, Im testing the config and its awesome !! ,its by far the best way to fly using cross hair ,but Im having just one issue:

  If you map buttons of the left stick when using the option to controll left stick with the mouse ,you get some glitches when pressing the buttons and moving the mouse at the same time
  It doesn't happents with right stick , I can map buttons to right stick and it does't glitches when I press it movving the mouse
is there a way to fix it ? Thanks
Anyways I made a video of my practice :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5RBdea8GmU
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on September 16, 2017, 05:30:57 AM
hey Richard , have you tested the problem ? is it happening for you to ? Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 16, 2017, 08:40:29 AM
yes, working on it.
further update might be available in a couple of days.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on September 17, 2017, 10:10:14 AM
oh thanks , cant wait to test it
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 18, 2017, 11:39:38 AM
Hi, good news, here is the latest version for you.
http://www.reasnow.com/download/software/Cross%20Hair%20ManagerV1.72.3.zip

please upgrade your Cross Hair with this new version.

And any feedback, please stick to this post.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on September 18, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
Oh thank you richard !!
I made another video of my practice for you :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJO6GxySGsc
Im gona try to make a review video , the only problem its my english lol not so good
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 19, 2017, 09:30:57 AM
it's ok, we can read that.:)
look forward to your new video.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on September 21, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
it's ok, we can read that.:)
look forward to your new video.
New video richard :) a full match with the chopper !
https://youtu.be/a7xZpiwoy_M
But I have a doubt about the hertz of the mouse and cross hair
How many hertz should I put on the option usb report rate of cross hair manager and in the mouse settings ? Im playing with 125hz in cross hair and 1000hz on the mouse ,because when I put 1000 on cross hair it shakes a lot ,what do you think ? Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 21, 2017, 11:19:23 AM
Hi Jonas, nice video, really an amazing killing:)

BTW,
it's OK to set 125hz for Cross Hair for most of the situations.
we might not provide this option for future versions to avoid doubts for common users.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on September 23, 2017, 05:43:27 AM
Hi Jonas, nice video, really an amazing killing:)

BTW,
it's OK to set 125hz for Cross Hair for most of the situations.
we might not provide this option for future versions to avoid doubts for common users.
Thanks richard , im gona make more videos and post here :)
whats the best for choppers ? 1000hz or 125hz ?
and about the curve editor option , whats the best for choppers ?
thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 23, 2017, 10:08:25 AM
125hz is completely OK for choppers.
and as for the curve, there is no best choice for that.

but there are still 2 options for you to improve chopper control:
1. tweak HIP/ADS in game by a method introduced in this video
http://youtu.be/o8opSkfV72Y

2. read our instruction document "How To Tweak Mouse Movement.pdf"
You can find a topic for "Advanced Settings – Curve Editor" in the last part of it.
Change the curve to get a faster turning according to the instruction, and try the effect in game.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: Gyftos on September 26, 2017, 12:49:15 AM
Hi Richard , is there any way I can use this release of firmware in the Xbox one version? I switched to Xbox one because I have a lot of friends there are some games coming for Xbox that I want. Thank you guys for the great work you do on the crosshair device. It's amazing
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: Gyftos on September 26, 2017, 01:00:49 AM
Another question I have besides if I can use this on Xbox one bf4, does this also work well with airplanes?
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 26, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
Hi, yes, you can use this feature on Xbox one.
And if airplane has in similar control, it will of course do for you.
If any question for airplane usage,
we would love to hear your suggestions too:)
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: Cadmiel on September 26, 2017, 11:10:21 PM
Hi Richard, I have a little problem with this configuration, when I slow down to the left and right, the helicopter does not respond very well, I need to increase the sensitivity very much so that the slow movement responds, which worsens accuracy very, use 125hz in the usb report rate, 55 sensitivity in the ADS and HIP, with the standard curve. The configuration is perfect, only this ends up causing some problems. I tested with the curve of its configuration, the slow movement improves, however, minimally faster movements end up uncontrolling the aim. Is there anything to improve this problem?
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 27, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
sorry that we do not understand the following words well “when I slow down to the left and right, the helicopter does not respond very well”.
can you post all your info here?
such as: mouse DPI, HIP/ADS, HIP/ADS curve in Cross Hair, Look sensitivity in game,
which game you are playing, which config has been activated to play the game and so on.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: Cadmiel on September 27, 2017, 06:00:01 PM
Mouse DPI 12000 and 1000hz polling rate, ADS:55, HIP:55, Curve ADS e HIP: Standard, 125hz usb report rate, Look andVehicle sensibility in game:100%.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: Cadmiel on September 27, 2017, 11:05:27 PM
I meant yaw, making slow movements with the mouse to the right or left the helicopter does not respond, only in faster movements
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 28, 2017, 10:27:44 AM
i think you may try adding HIP sensitivity a bit and pulling up the HIP curve to gain a better control for Yaw.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on September 30, 2017, 12:59:28 AM
New video richard !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iItpYHBg7ZU
not the best aim yet but is getting better :)
but I have a doubt , what does the HIP and ADS YX Ratio do ?
cause when I set it to 10 I feel the chopper more responsive to my mouse movements than when I set it to 20 (default)
Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on September 30, 2017, 09:06:09 AM
thanks for sharing you video, it's a very nice one.
YX ratio is the ratio of mouse y axis and x axis speed.
you can change it as you like.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on May 07, 2018, 11:27:32 PM
Hey richard , Ive got back to play BF4 and posted new videos playing with cross hair , I've found a new way to improve my aim ,by lowering the sensitivity and adding a curve , here are the new videos :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXffPWf6IvA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXizjNwnCTQ
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on May 08, 2018, 11:29:19 AM
we always have a good time while watching your videos:)
and thanks for sharing your experiences.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on May 26, 2018, 01:15:48 AM
we always have a good time while watching your videos:)
and thanks for sharing your experiences.
Thanks richard I gonna post more videos soon ,
I also have 2 questions :
First is ,does increasing the y/x ratio(to increase the sensibility of the y-axis) decreases the sensibility of the x-axis ?

Second , is it better to use 500hz of pooling rate on my mouse rather tham the 1000hz that im using now ? Cause I saw that 1000hz can be inconsistent on some mouses

I also saw that is better to use lower dpis like 4000 on soft pads like mine ,is it true ? Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on May 03, 2019, 10:32:57 PM
Hi Richard , its been a while since the last time Ive made the request to controll the left stick with the mouse , and I have to admit you guys are amazing , thanks for supporting your costumer the best way possible , I still using cross hair to fly choppers and it gave me a precision that its impossible to have with a controller ,I also still poosting videos :P .

That beeing said can I make a last request ? the thing is , to make the chopper more agile , we need to put a curve on the movement, this way the YAW and ROLL becomes more responsible , but there is a problem on it , the PITCH movement obtains a lot of aceleration ,and them becomes very hard to aim on 1 vs 1 helicopter fight.

Ive already tried to ajust the YX ratio , and it gave me controll over the sensibility of the PITCH movement, but the curve stills influencing on it, because of the aceleration it haves, and them the PITCH stills beeing hard to controll ( the acceleration affects my muscle memory I think ).

The request would be a way to ajust the sensibility and the curve of the Y and the X axis individualy , this way I can put a curve on YAW and ROLL but maintain the PITCH without one ,so it wont have acceleration and wont afect my muscle memory .

Is it possible to be done Richard ?  also thanks again for the support , best MK adapter so far :)
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on May 05, 2019, 10:58:16 AM
we have just released our APP,
this version can provide "Independent axis remapping"
it will be very helpful for your usage.

and if mouse is mapped to any axis of stick,
its curve will be also be changed.

http://www.reasnow.com/forum/index.php?topic=2480.0
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on May 05, 2019, 01:59:54 PM
Sorry richard ,but my version its the old one ,with the 1.7.4 hardware ,isn't a way to do it to this version ? :/
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on May 05, 2019, 03:04:29 PM
Hi Jonas, sorry we find no way make V1.7.4 work with our APP.
V1.7.6 and later ones are the most we can support.

and I do not encourage to buy a new one now too.
for we will release something new and big soon:)
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on May 06, 2019, 04:06:42 AM
Will This thing New and Big gonna be avablie to hardware 1.7.4 too ? Thanks
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: richard on May 06, 2019, 11:03:18 AM
sorry, I'm not supposed to disclose more details here,
please wait a few more days.
you will know that once the news is officially released.
Title: Re: Can I control the 2 analogick with the mouse ?
Post by: JonasMartins on May 14, 2019, 01:39:06 AM
Hi richard , I saw the new S1 , it looks awesome , can you tell me when its gonna be relased and how much will it costs ? ,Thanks ,also ,isnt there a way of putting the independent axis remaping on olds cross hairs ??